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  • 02-03-2006 2:45 PM

    • Otter
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    Big Game is On!

    The game is on

    Here is what I observed at the Wynn yesterday and day before

    !0 millinion Dolar freeze out per day. and $50,000 and $100,000 limits


    Picture of Andy Beal

    Mid 50's but looks younger than this

    Tall with brown hair, White Wynn Cap, White long sleeve comfortable shirt and tan slacks.

    sunglasses and ear phones

    has a handwritten note that says SLOW DOWN in black marker in plain view. Also has what appears to be a stop watch on a stand for him to view (game theory anyone)?

    One advisor two days ago. Two yesterday plus there were about 4 reporters present. 3 of which were asked to leave about 3 to 4 hours into match.


    Todd Brunson played two days ago. I think Andy won $3 million but cannot verify it. I know that Todd was down $3.75 million at one time for sure from personal observations.


    Yesterday Jennifer Harmon Traniello played. She had David Gray as her sweater/advisor. Ted Forrest arrived a little while later (more on this)

    Jennifer was down over $2.5 million but made a nice recovery just before the 1 hour dinner break. They have a very structured break scedule and stick to it pretty much. When they broke for dinner Jennifer was only down $375,000.


    There was a brief discussion after dinner. Apparently Jennifer wanted to quit and let Ted take over. Ted was not back from the dinner break yet and Andy agreed to play David Grey until Ted showed up. It was only 10 minutes of play between Andy and David. David lost around $500,000 so the corporation was down around $875,000. Within 2 hours of Ted taking over he was up $3.5 million against Andy and the corporation was up a total of $2.65 milion or so for the day. I left before play ended between them.


    I actually find it kind of funny to see all of the hooplah involved. All kinds of phone calls for the corporation and several players coming by to check out the action throughout the day. I do not know all of the stipulations except that the match is for a total of 5 days. I will say that there is a lot of obsessive compulsive behavior and I suspect that there could be more than just this factor in regards my feel for what has transpired. I would love to have an hour or two conversation with Andy to really get a feel for his personality. At one point in time when he was up a rack against Jennifer he made the comment to his advisors that his results were a nice day's work. That quickly evaporated right after he said this! jennifer was not at the table but was talking to David in the hall about strategy I suspect!


    At one point they were pretty annoyed at the fact that the auto shuffler was too slow for heads up play. They requested a second auto shuffler be placed on the table but finally agreed on the dealer shuffling the cards as the Wynn could not do the two auto shuffler request.


    Also I find it quite interesting in how long the Wynn took to change all of the lights around to Andy's satisfaction before the game started. There were a lot of chiefs to direct the few indians into actually changing the track system and replace the light bulbs.


    On a more peronal note we don't need this kind of lighting for our games day in and day out but of course Andy is going to get whatever he asks for. I cannot even get them to change a burned out light bulb over my head (it has happened twice and it was so dark I could not see the difference between a diamond and a heart). I even requested that they change tables because it was New Years Day and there was nary an electrician around but the supervisor refused. The second time he said they would have it changed in a few minutes. It took 45 minutes (43 of which was to get the electricians to the room of course, lol).


    Obviously money speaks but considering I spend 6 to 10 hours a day 6 to 7 days a week there you would think my rake would in fact add up to something over a year's time. Anyone want to figure out how much I pay in time and in tips too? 60 hours at $12.00/hr seems like a lot to me in regards to table time (that is around $700 per week but I also play 2-5 which is a rake game so adjust down to somewhere in the vicinity of $30,000/yr not to mention tips.


    As another side note I have changed my tipping practices significantly as a result of a number of dealer mistakes last week in the 5-10 game and a number of others over the past 4 weeks as well. Only the excellent dealers will receive a tip from me. One dealer made 5 mistakes in a half hour in the 5-10 no limit game and I lost a lot of money as a result of two of her mistakes. She failed repeatedly to control the action. There are 5 to 6 dealers that deserve every tip they get. About 5 that will occasionally receive a tip when they do well on their down. There are 4 or 5 dealers who I will never tip. That is a huge change from my prior tipping pattern when I tipped just about every dealer.


    Another interesting thing has occurred. The 80-160 game moved to the Wynn and is a 60-120 game. There has been a fairly large influx of players to the Wynn from the Bellagio in the past 3 weeks but I am not sure that it is a great idea given the problems I have been experiencing there lately. One obvious reason is that the floor supervisors at the Bellagio are sometimes rude and at other times down right arrogant and very rude. That is not just my opinion but comments I hear from most of the players that are coming to the Wynn. I hope a few of the supervisors at the Wynn do not make similar mistakes as I have witnessed recently. Otter



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    Post Edited (Otter) : 2/3/2006 3:20:22 PM GMT

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  • 02-03-2006 5:36 PM In reply to

    Re: Big Game is On!

    Otter: Thanks for the great blog on the game -- it sounds like there will definitely be a book. I don't suppose they are using a camera table and capturing the hands, are they? They are idiots to not be recording all this WPT-style for possible editing into a film or something. I am not suprised that they are very demanding about lighting and such -- don't know if you were alive for the Fisher/Spasky World Chess Championships, but the niggling was a bigger story than the chess.

    Is there are URL with a bit more of the history of this game and its set-up?

    Also, on the matter of bad dealing. I am an "aspiring"/amature dealer (Yes, I have read, re-read, and highlighted, flagged, and dog-eared The Professional Poker Dealer's Handbook) and wondered what other kinds of mistakes besides "failing to control the action" the dealers were making. I want to know what to avoid -- not to make better tips, but just to be a better dealer.

    Thanks again for the post.

    Charlie L
    Portland, OR
    CLL2001@gmail.com
    Dedicated player of "Drew's Arlo" (Black 6, Red 4) in honor of the late Drew Podolak.
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  • 02-04-2006 5:39 PM In reply to

    • Kram
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    Re: Big Game is On!

    Was the female dealer Ava? If it was... man she is hot though;) Gotta let her slide boy!!!!
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  • 02-04-2006 7:00 PM In reply to

    • Jon
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    Re: Big Game is On!

    There is a book on the big game called The Professor, The Banker and The Suicide King. Very good book about the big game. Lots of stuff in there that nobody knew when the game was going on. Micheal Craig did a great detective job with his research and seems to have put the whole thing together, especially when it comes to who is Andy Beal, and what poker means to him.
    When the big game was going the first time, one of the moderators here, Linda, was dealing it and having a few conversations with Andy, and also taking a little heat from managment about putting the stuff on her blog at the time. She would tell me what was happening and I would start the rumor mill. So this forum has some good accurate stuff about what was going on during the first big game.

    Linda was cited in the book as was this website.
    A good post is a supple and yielding thing. It is meant to be argued with and challenged. It is a battle ground for ideas and should show some evidence of a fight or at least some preliminary skirmishes. It is good for igniting minds. It is not the be-all and end-all of a balanced and productive life, but it can touch off needed thoughts and actions.
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  • 02-05-2006 11:45 AM In reply to

    • Otter
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    Re: Big Game is On!

    I also heard that the book is good. They were not video taping it but I am sure it will be in another book as this reporter was writing like a maniac at everything that was said and every hand was recorded as well.

    It was not Ava Kram. She is a little bit of an air head though. I don't let her slide and I do not tip her as much as some young horny guy would be prone to do. She is definitely a looker and she does have a good friendly personality. Did I ever tell you about the time she hit on me? Those Asian girls are very aggressive!!!!



    Then I woke up and it was morning. What a nice dream huh? LOL! At the table though it is a recurring fantasy for you I am sure! As a research project you should separate your win/loss rate when she is dealing from the rest of the dealers and see if you do better or a lot worse. I would be interested in the findings! Do you try to impress her with a more aggressive style and big bluffs or do you stare into her gorgeous eyes and play like a calling station just at the chance to have her looking at you more often? :yeah: Finally, Do you remove your sunglasses so she can look into your eyes too? :tongue: Otter
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  • 04-17-2006 2:35 AM In reply to

    • Kram
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    Re: Big Game is On!

    I actually took Ava out. She's into me;)
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  • 04-17-2006 3:00 AM In reply to

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    Re: Big Game is On!

    Otter said:It was not Ava Kram. She is a little bit of an air head though.
    And Kram Said: I actually took Ava out. She's into me;)
    And I need to say no more lol
    A good post is a supple and yielding thing. It is meant to be argued with and challenged. It is a battle ground for ideas and should show some evidence of a fight or at least some preliminary skirmishes. It is good for igniting minds. It is not the be-all and end-all of a balanced and productive life, but it can touch off needed thoughts and actions.
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