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In an effort to start the forum out here are some stats for each of the 169 starting hold'em hands played 10-handed, running hot and cold - 1 million simulations each. Right hand column is the winning percentage. It has limited value - but the info is free so you can't beat the price.

1. AA - 31.06
2. KK - 26.09
3. QQ - 22.30
4. AK(s) - 20.67
5. JJ - 19.37
6. AQ(s) - 19.29
7. KQ(s) - 18.61
8. AJ(s) - 18.16
9. KJ(s) - 17.64
10. AT(s) - 17.34
11. TT - 17.22
12. AK - 17.19
13. QJ(s) - 17.10
14. KT(s) - 16.88
15. JT(s) - 16.65
16. QT(s) - 16.46
17. 99 - 15.59
18. AQ - 15.54
19. A9(s) - 15.30
20. KQ - 15.13
21. K9(s) - 14.85
22. A8(s) - 14.73
23. Q9(s) - 14.72
24. J9(s) - 14.51
25. 88 - 14.47
26. A5(s) - 14.41
27. A7(s) - 14.32
28. AJ - 14.30
29. A6(s) - 14.21
30. A4(s) - 14.19
31. T9(s) - 14.08
32. A3(s) - 14.01
33. KJ - 13.98
34. 77 - 13.68
35. QJ - 13.66
36. A2(s) - 13.63
37. K8(s) - 13.56
38. AT - 13.38
39. 98(s) - 13.32
40. J8(s) - 13.21
41. Q8(s) - 13.16
42. K7(s) - 13.15
43. JT - 13.11
44. 66 - 13.07
45. T8(s) - 13.05
46. KT - 13.00
47. QT - 12.95
48. K6s - 12.88
49. 87(s) - 12.85
50. K5s - 12.54
51. 97(s) - 12.54
52. 76(s) - 12.37
53. 55 - 12.37
54. K4s - 12.34
55. T7(s) - 12.29
56. 44 - 12.17
57. Q7(s) - 12.15
58. K3s - 12.13
59. 33 - 12.00
60. J7(s) - 12.00
61. 22 - 11.96
62. 86(s) - 11.95
63. 65(s) - 11.93
64. K2s - 11.92
65. Q6(s)- 11.80
66. 54(s) - 11.67
67. Q5(s) - 11.59
68. 96(s) - 11.44
69. 75(s) - 11.41
70. Q4(s) - 11.31
71. T9 - 11.25
72. A9 - 11.16
73. T6(s) - 11.16
74. 64(s) - 11.15
75. Q3(s) - 11.11
76. Q2(s) - 11.08
77. J6(s) - 11.07
78. J9 - 10.96
79. K9 - 10.90
80. 85(s) - 10.90
81. 53(s) - 10.90
82. J5(s) - 10.81
83. J4(s) - 10.77
84. Q9 - 10.75
85. A8 - 10.53
86. 74(s) - 10.45
87. 95(s) - 10.39
88. J3(s) - 10.38
89. J2(s) - 10.35
90. 43(s) - 10.32
91. A5 - 10.15
92. T4(s) - 10.15
93. 63(s) - 10.09
94. T5(s) - 10.03
95. A7 - 9.93
96. T8 - 9.92
97. T3(s) - 9.92
98. A4 - 9.85
99. 52(s) - 9.85
100. 84(s) - 9.82
101. T2(s) - 9.75
102. 42(s) - 9.71
103. A6 - 9.55
104. A3 - 9.55
105. J8 - 9.50
106. K8 - 9.43
107. 87 - 9.29
108. 94(s) - 9.24
109. A2 - 9.21
110. Q8 - 9.18
111. 32(s) - 9.15
112. 93(s) - 9.15
113. 92(s) - 9.12
114. 98 - 9.08
115. 62(s) - 9.05
116. 73(s) - 9.04
117. 83(s) - 8.96
118. K7 - 8.95
119. 76 - 8.83
120. 97- 8.83
121. 82(s) - 8.79
122. T7 - 8.57
123. K6 - 8.56
124. 72(s) - 8.52
125. 65 - 8.43
126. 86 - 8.31
127. K5 - 8.26
128. 54 - 8.24
129. J7 - 8.12
130. K4 - 8.03
131. Q7 - 8.03
132. K3 - 7.88
133. 75 - 7.88
134. 96 - 7.75
135. Q6 - 7.73
136. K2 - 7.66
137. 64 - 7.60
138. 53 - 7.45
139. Q5 - 7.36
140. T6 - 7.31
141. 85 - 7.15
142. Q4 - 7.10
143. J6 - 6.99
144. Q3 - 6.94
145. 43 - 6.88
146. J5 - 6.87
147. Q2 - 6.86
148. 74 - 6.85
149. J4 - 6.63
150. 95 - 6.53
151. T5 - 6.46
152. J3 - 6.38
153. 63 - 6.38
154. 52 - 6.36
155. J2 - 6.25
156. T4 - 6.17
157. 84 - 6.13
158. T3 - 6.04
159. 42 - 6.04
160. T2- 5.83
161. 73 - 5.72
162. 94 - 5.64
163. 32 - 5.61
164. 93 - 5.44
165. 62 - 5.40
166. 92 - 5.23
167. 83 - 5.18
168. 82 - 4.95
169. 72 - 4.80

Hi
Welcome to Poker Clan

What program did you use?

Hi and thanks for the welcome. I used poker probe.

Just out of curiousity - how do I scratch together a BR to get rid of this railbird persona? ;)

I'm guessing that you're classification goes up with the # of posts you make... :idea:

[quote="Angel"]
Hi and thanks for the welcome. I used poker probe.

Just out of curiousity - how do I scratch together a BR to get rid of this railbird persona? ;)

Pretty interesting stats. Will be very consoling when my pocket Aces are cracked by the all in deuce-seven!! And, i can tell the holder of Aces i was only a 96% dog when i went all in to stomp him!! Is this a web site or software?

Stephen

Stephen,

Poker Probe is a software program developed my Mike Caro.

Hey Phyllis...I mean Angel (My Mike Caro huh?),

I have been told it a great program. Even though I am not sure of ALL of it's functions, I have often thought about picking it up (The name Caro goes a long way.). If it has helped you and your play, could you share some of the specifics with us. I am curious as to what it's major benefits are. - Than

Hi Than

I have had a copy of Poker Probe since 1993, it is OK but a fairly dated program. It basically allows you to set up hands and run the numbers on them. For example you can set up deuces and see how often they win against 10 players or fours etc. There are much better programs available now that are easier to use. I am not even sure if Poker Probe is still available. I would suggest that Wilson’s turbo series is the best. http://Wilsonsoftware.com (about $80)or the poker complier might be worthwhile (About $20). Cheaper then Wilson but I have not heard much about it good or bad, has a free D/L and looked OK. If the probe is still available it is 70 or 80 dollars, comes with a nice note book and manual, My copy also came with a envelope with a 25 cent stamp pre addressed to send in the registration. (The Stamp may be collectable)

Poker Probe although done by Mike Caro is not that good of a program compared to the newer programs. (Written in Pascal for Windows 3.2 and DOS) It is simply a way to compare hands, it was the best when it was the only program of that type and still useful for things like the table posted. It was the first program written for the PC to deal with poker stats and a quantum leap over the old method of dealing your self hands for hours. Mike Caro actually did the programming himself, as far as I know it is the only serious program he has ever written. The newer programs at least Wilson’s any way all have this kind of function plus programmable AI so that you can test certain hands in certain situations and actually see how the hand works against different kinds of players.

Using Poker Probe I discovered a few things about poker. Helped me to discover that deuces where huge losers in Hold-em and I have not played them in ten years except to semi steal the occasional blind.

Hey Forum Administrator (not 100% sure of your name),

I have Brecware (enumeration) and Andrew Prock's Pokerstove (very easy, very fast) on my computer, so I have the ability to compare hands. Do you think the added ability to program for different kinds of players makes the price worthwhile?

Also on a different topic...What is the custom for posting a thank you? It may not matter in this early stage, but down the road when (I fully expect it to) the forum is overrun with posts, would a simple thank you post be considered clutter? Just curious...and by the way, thanks for the info. - Than

I guess the first question is just a matter of choice, it is sometimes fun and interesting to see how a hand plays against different types of players. Some people think that this kind of training is valid, so if it helps your game it is worth money. On the other hand with all the free play available for online poker you have simulations available for free, Although play money does not simulate the real thing very well.



Thank you’s are fine. Hopefully on the next upgrade of this product there will be threaded views available and reply titles will be editable making large threads easier to navigate. Although we do not have any long threads yet you will see that there is paging available when we do. You can also order the threads by first posted.

Angel, I'm not sure what you mean when you say percentages are shown.
The percentages must add to 1 (or 100) when you are done since there can't be more hands
than all hands (100%). It can't be the count of hands won out of 1KK hands, because the numbers
don't add to 1KK. It's clear than number is SOME kind of rank, but I'm not sure what it means.
Can you clarify?

Thanks...

The number shown is the percentage of hands that are won with that starting hand out of one million against 10 other players assuming no one folds

So AA won ~310,600 out of a million
KK won ~260,900 out of it's completely separate million runs

and so forth, each hand gets a million runs against 9 other random hands, the number is the percentage won.

At least that's how I interpretted the whole thing, someone smack me if I'm wrong

You interpretted it correctly.

OK--thought is was 1KK runs when it was 169KK runs.


The result is interesting. We have been watching WPT and WSP, and we note that people get busted on AK much, much more than this result would indicate; therefore, all the busts must be about players' attitudes. We've renamed AK from "the Big Slick" to "the Big Bad". I've taken to calling AQ "the Little Bad" for the same reason, although folks don't seem to believe in the virtue of a Q the way they do the virtue of a K.